I am interrupting my Saga on William Anglin, Civil War Soldier, to make a report on what I have just discovered about Isaac Anglin, the Revolutionary Soldier! Isaac is William's Grandfather, and the first of our Anglin line to come to Burke/Yancey Co, NC. He was a member of the 12th Company, moving to the frontier as a defender of the "western" frontier, to make improvements on and provide protection to the pioneers and their families, including his own - onto land given in payment for fighting for the birth of our new nation. Land, not money was paid the soldiers under Washington. And these Virginia soldiers, who were being given a new location on the NC frontier, traveled together with their families to begin new lives as friends, comrades, and countrymen.
I just discovered a web page which identifies Isaac as a Continental Soldier, who fought at Valley Forge that rugged winter that was so cold, famous in books and paintings, where men stood by George Washington to defend freedom from England's rule. What is given is Isaac's release from Service, after having served 3 years.
WHAT A STORY! Ck it out ~ Isaac's release.
Checking to verify I am making the proper connection, but am so excited to find this tidbit. CW
One other thing I learned while researching tonight, was that the Anglin men often wrote their "i" with a loop and a very tiny dot. More often than not it looked like an e, and was very often written by others confirming a document as and e. Thus both Anglin and Anglen will appear on the very same document in different hands.
Always Learning!
Much thanks to this page for the info!
Hi! Will you give us some assistance regarding proving William Anglin is the son of Isaac Anglin and brother of James Anglin? A descendant is trying to get into DAR, and they want proof that William is a son of Isaac. Do you have some direction for us to go? Thank you so much! Karan B. Pittman
ReplyDeleteI was able to make the connection through the DNA Project: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmparker/AnglinDNA/index.html
ReplyDeleteThey have been able to make positive connections to multiple cousins, etc of members that can be proved by hoards of documents to be sons etc of Isaac. Isaac Anglin was the only Anglin on the earliest census records for the area of Buncombe/Burke that became Yancey Co. NC where the family lived. He is the only person who fulfills the bill for the Revolutionary Son of William who received lands in NC. Isaac is well documented to be the father of several of the men whose descendants appear in the DNA project. The early census records don't give the names of children, but do give numbers and approximate ages of children in those families. So early on, I spent hours checking those stats to see if Isaac could be William's father. If you go line by line on the census records, you find that Isaac died, but that Nancy Dyer, his wife, survived and remained, initially(with her mother) in the area for many years. Therefore, her family was there. We know there are only so many Anglin men with records and documents in the area of a certain age. Only William fits to be one of the unnamed sons. But that was circumstantial. Once I had built the family tree from the records and censuses and worked backwards filling in the blanks for how the families were linked, and researched the graves and family connections that put together a large family tree in Burke/Buncombe/Yancey Co, I knew who family was. One day when I ran across the DNA project which took several of these people and linked them back to Nancy and Isaac, I was able to link my family to the William Anglin of Philippi, WVA. At the time, I only had an outline of the family and the DNA links all the way back. But with time and a network of documents, again while comparing every date carefully, a web emerges that puts William into Isaac's family. As more people enter the DNA Project, each with their own evidence that they are descendants of Isaac, more and more evidence exists that William is indeed Isaac's son. More than any other thing, the DNA is a very strong link. But couple it with the multiple family members who can be linked to one another as cousins, aunts, uncles, parents and grandparents, and add the documents that show who was where and when.... and there is no question William was Isaac's son.
. In the years up until 1812, only Isaac, and a John Anglin are listed in the area. That left me with two possible fathers for William. But since I could link all decendants to one another and all to William, John was totally eliminated as Williams father through the DNA. We know that due to deaths, there were occasions when a family adopted a brother or sisters children as their own. I run into that a lot in the Roland family research. But there are court documents which marked those actions. Just as now, someone may not just claim a child in the family as their own, without a court decision. There are no such documents for William's family, nor is there a need for any, because all the children can be accounted for, by age, death certificates, and other court documents. Your best proof lies in the DNA. But, once I had made the connections for myself, I discovered that my grandmother, Nora Anglin Roland had left for her children a handwritten note that recorded her own knowledge of her ancestral line. It linked her back through our line to William "whose father was Isaac from Virginia." We now know that Isaac's Virginia home, became a town in West Virginia. But the connection had not been made until in recent years. For me, evidence and lack of evidence all prove the connection. I will look further through my documents and try to find a better connection that is a document you can provide for Nancy as mother to William. There are thousands of documents and in the early days, my computer would freeze when I tried to include everything I found. So much of my evidence is paper, or stored digital copies of things I found. I sat and drew outlines, and compared dates on scraps of paper for hours before entering my findings. But going back to some of that may not be efficient for you, if you are under an urgent time frame. So If you visit the DNA Project for yourself, you will see some of the connections being made. Look very closely at the early Census records. Account for the individuals. Look at the years and dates closely. Find evidence of the person for those years and dates. Look closely for names of multiple cousins, friends of family and neighbors. Patterns will emerge. Communities will come alive. Transactions will occur between these people. Marriages will both separate these individuals, but also bring them back together. And graveyards...The Yancey Co. grave records compiled by Gwen Bodford put family members into the same grave yards in such a way that you not only can eliminate other possibles through births, but also through deaths. If you have been searching for a while, you have discovered some of this, so I mention it for sake of other researchers. Put the persons from the DNA Project into your family tree. Connect the dots. And you will see that these men had to be one and the same all the way up the line. NO other possibilities. I know you are looking for specific documents. I will take a look and see if I can come across some thing that helps you quickly. But, for me, it wasn't a single document that I specifically remember, but an accumulations of genealogy truths and links, with DNA putting a blood line proof upon the evidence.
ReplyDeleteSee how many men can put together some family records, which like my Grandmother's handwritten statement, show that they are a part of the bloodline. When they all say the same thing, and they are descendant cousins who may have never known one another until the DNA findings linked them, the statement and Bible lists are hard to refute. For me, I knew of Anglins in the graveyards of my husbands families in Georgia. We live in Tennessee, now. So when I Looked at the dates on those Georgia Anglin headstones, I wondered, "were these Anglins descended from the same NC Anglins as my family?" My husband made fun of me until through the DNA Project I was able to find that Adrian has a second wife, whose children settled in the counties in Georgia where those gravestones were. So much to my husbands chagrin....these people did prove to be distant cousins. That is how large my family tree had gotten. Huge by any accounting, but the hugeness narrowed down to one man in Virginia when you followed the trail back to Adrian. The exact same thing occurs when you follow the trail backwards. Only one man was a Revolutionary Soldier who was a certain age, who inherited land, was a member of a certain military unit, died by the time he was 45 after bringing his family to what would become Yancey Co. NC. He was Isaac. When looking for documents, since Isaac died young, your records will be linked to Nancy Dyer Anglin. So research her carefully. Once you make links between her and her children, search all documents - not just the ones that about them specifically. Look at documents from court records, church records, birth records, and death records. Know their neighbors and look into the records for their daily transactions. Pay special attention to the dates. You will be surprised that you will find books that mention things, like that William marked his land with his Initials WA. CArved into a tree on a specific piece of land, and documented as such. He was known for that. A detail about him that was also found in Georgia with another William Anglin of the same descent. Were they they same man? I had to compare family names, dates and times until I could be sure they were totally different men, ancestral cousins, who did exactly the same thing to mark their lands. But involved in totally different activities in totally different family units. It's a big picture, not a single proof, single document. There may be a single document. But I never paid attention to whether I found it, because, I wasn't looking for the single document. I was looking for a family and all their connections. Good luck. If I find something definitive that I have forgotten I have, I will certainly get it to you.
ReplyDeleteA final note: Look for documents in the spellings: Anglen, Angline, and Angling. As well as others. Isaac, as a member of the 11th and or 12th "company" of men who entered what was then, Burke Co. NC, following the Revolution, is there with his name misspelled. For example, the following excerpt from my FTM notes on Isaac:
Delete"Isaac lived only to be 35 yrs old. Records of the family are found in Nancy's name after 1795
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In the Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants, pg 11, Isaac Anglin of Va. is granted 100 acres on 7 Nov 1783. His record showed he was a Private.
In the Burke Co., NC Census for 1790 Isaac Anglin is misspelled Isaac Anging, and shows 8 family members. (104-30) Remarks are for the "Company" to which they were listed. In the 12th company is also listed a Lettie Dyer.(104-56) Lettie is the only Dyer listed for this company and several others in close proximity. She is most likely Nancy Dyer Anglin's mother.
Isaac is found on the 1790 Census record spelled Isaac "Anging" .
He is found in the land deeds records, #1437 and 1460 spelled Isaac Angling. These records are said to be available both in the Burke Co. records office and in original form, in Raleigh, NC.
"Burke County, NC - Deeds - North Carolina Land Grants...Beginning in 1778 to as late as 1956 when Land Grants were discontinued....Burke County Public Library
System, Inc., Morganton, NC. (c) 2001-2004...
SURNAME FIRST NAME DATE LG NO.
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ANGLING Isaac 1790 1437
ANGLING Isaac 1790 1460."
Soooo, the notes I have for Nancy then become important too:
"In the 1800 Census there is a Nancy Anglin who it occurs to me must be Isaac's wife since he died in 1795. The record reads as follows:ANGLIN, Nancy 02100 11010 0 0
That is Nancy is head of household, there are 3 sons, and 2 daughters. If this were not an index only, we could know their names. William and James appear to be the 2 boys in line 2, but they have an older brother, a sister about their same age and a younger sister.
Nancy appears again on the Buncombe Co., NC Census in 1810 just above Charles and George Roland. 2 boys aged 16 - 25, and herself in the over 45 column, are the only ones listed for her family."
It is important to note that, although there is a Nancy Dyer who marries another person after Isaac's death, our Nancy still is listed on Census records with appropriately aged children as an Anglin in 1800 and again in 1810 near the Charles and George Roland families. See the connections, and the timeline playing an important role in ruling out the other Nancy? and her family. Since records can be found in this era for William in this area, and there are no other persons who fit.... William is Nancy's son. Still circumstantial, but evidenciarily correct.
BTW...Soddy Mtn Hawk watch is me, Cynthia A Wilkerson. My husband and I also Blog about our local hawk watch, where we have been watchers for years. That bit of info will once day define us to future generations. It's the kind of info you are looking for on William. You might also note that there is a mountain named for the family, in Yancey County, that was more than likely William's family's land at some point. I tend to ask questions? Where was that land, and was it actually owned as far back as Isaac and Nancy, or did it come to be Anglin property later? Are there Documents still available for that? Where is it located, and can I see the actual paperwork. Did Nancy live there? ETc, ETc. Hope something I have said helps you find your path. Finding it will give you absolute assurance you are who you say you are.
DeleteAn online record has James listed as being born in Buncombe Co., NC. The records I found have James being born in Greenbriar Co, VA in 1783, with at least 3 more children being born between the years of 1783 and 1792 when William was born, also in Greenbriar Co, Va, (which we know became W. Va.) 1783 is an incredibly important year, because it was the year by which certain improvements had to be made to properties earned by virtue of having fought in the Revolutionary War. Isaac, their father, would have to be making trips at the very least to property now listed as in Buncombe Co., NC which the family would eventually inhabit. So we know they were still in what was still Virginia at the time of their births, but were very soon totally living in Buncombe County NC by 1800. This was not unusual, to have a place on the new property and a place on the original homeplace. Times were very difficult, before 1830 when the area came into its on as Yancey Co. NC I found in another family, that each time the mother neared the birth of a child, she returned home to parents or family in Virginia to have that child, and stayed there for months until she could travel the many miles with the baby. The reasons would revolve around exactly how developed or improved the new frontier land actually was. The McMahans, for instance, had lands in what would become Tennessee, but lived primarily in Western NC in the early 1800s. Just as The elder William Anglin had improved his land in what became W. VA. for years before moving his family from where they lived near his father Adrian in Virginia in the late 1700's. Remember two things. They were all pioneers. There was a standard process to being a pioneer. In general, it meant that a head of family acquired land by some means, usually a grant, often earned through military service after the Revolution. As with Isaac. But this head of household was required to make certain improvements to that land in order to prove he was worthy of keeping it. So these men traveled quite a bit between the two places making those improvements. In the 10 years between James' birth and William's birth, Isaac probably didn't inhabit the NC property full time with his family until he arrived with the "company." These were "military" units, whose purpose it was to develop and improve their lands, while defending the frontier borders from foreign and Indian attack. Foreign being French, Spanish or English attempts to retake the land after the war. Many stories abound of men on the trails they were blazing that can equate to Daniel Boone like stories of how they pushed the boundaries, and protected the ones they had. But sometimes the families got to the new homeplace, and found years of hunger, or attacks by Indians, or crop failure, and shortages of meats, or sellable goods, etc. So many reasons sent the families back and forth. Most tried at all peril to remain on their land as families, set up governing bodies, build homes and churches, and establish firm boundaries with good roads between the homesteads. These were among the things you could do to assure that your family survived as pioneers. So don't discount records that seem to say, the family was in two places during a period of time. Chase down the records that paint the real picture, that tell the whole story. Know their hardships and pains, their joys and gains, and all the people that helped them along the way.
ReplyDeleteIsaac died in 1795, only 3 years after William's birth, and only 5 years after being listed with the 12th Company land holdings in the census of 1790. Nancy is alone with her little family, but on the land they developed by the 1800 census. This is your timeframe for finding the proofs you need, but you must search in Greenbriar Co, W Va, and Va since the counties changed. And You must consider that the county names also changed in NC from Burke, to Buncombe, to Yancey during those years. For one family I research, I find the same property listed in 1800 - 1820 on both the Burke and Buncombe Co records. Searching Yancey records may not yield any results. And be sure to ck tax records, especially for Nancy.
DeleteThis researcher lists William as being born in 1786, and Mary as being born in 1792.
Deletehttp://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmparker/AnglinDNA/Pedigree4.htm
This means he has more information than me. The whole of the info continues to grow almost daily. This information if correct, does a lot to get the family into Buncombe Co. while William is still a small child. Yet allows him to be born in VA/W VA with no questions as to how. But I never worried about he exact date, because of Mary's info.